Five Good Things with Janae Sharp and Megan Antonelli: A rapid-fire segment highlighting positive developments in digital health. Janae and Megan share insights on recent innovations, successful implementations, and emerging trends that are driving progress in healthcare technology.
Megan Antonelli, Chief Executive Officer, HealthIMPACT Live
Janae Sharp, , Founder, The Sharp Index
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Megan Antonelli 0:30 Hi everyone. Welcome to Digital Health talks, where healthcare changemakers tackle tough questions shaping our industry's future. I'm Megan Antonelli, CEO of health impact live, and I'm joined today by Janae sharp, founder of the sharp index, and we are here to talk about the five good things that happen in healthcare this month, which What month is it? Even Janae,
Janae Sharp 0:51 it's May. Time is a construct that's true. And I just want to say that this is my birthday month. So many good things happened, including we had conferences. You helped host a conference like we had birthdays, family celebrations, graduations coming up for a lot of people. So
Megan Antonelli 1:13 well, happy birthday. Janae,
Janae Sharp 1:15 thank you. I love my birthday.
Megan Antonelli 1:17 I've heard
Janae Sharp 1:18 probably from me every day this month. That's a little good thing. Not everybody here had to listen to me say how much I love my birthday every day.
Megan Antonelli 1:27 Well, it is, it is an important day, and we are grateful for it every day. So and that is that knocks off one good thing. Maybe that's all five. Are we done?
Janae Sharp 1:38 No, I don't know. I do think a lot of good things happened from people that I know, and from like just looking through LinkedIn. It
Megan Antonelli 1:48 was a busy month. I mean, we had a great, I know you had the hymns Utah event. We had the hymns SoCal event, which was fantastic over at the Nixon library. So we had a lot of fun. There was really great to see. You know, a full room, 200 people plus people coming in on site, and just the conversations were really great. You know, the CIOs that were there really had so much to share around. You know what they're doing with AI, John Henderson over now, at now was Chuck now Rady Children's talking about what they're doing, and a lot with, you know, virtual health and AI and ambient and a lot of the topics that we'll be talking about at,
Janae Sharp 2:37 where will health impact our summit next month, in June, and we get to take a deep dive into what that will be like we
Megan Antonelli 2:46 do. And it is coming together so well, I am so excited. So you know how we were last time in New York? We were the it was rock star theme. We were talking about all the rock stars in healthcare, innovation. Well, this year, this time in June, we're pivoting towards the superheroes, and we've got a superhero theme coming together that's like, just so much fun. You know, I go a little crazy with this stuff, right? But I think the first
Janae Sharp 3:14 inspiration came from this right, from Jackie Gerhart posting something from Epic. UGM, right. And we love Jackie, and, you know, she was posting about wearing a cape and and also, from talking to some people that we know about the work they've been doing in New York and nationally, where, you know, I don't want to, I don't want to dehumanize people, so I'm always, like, hesitant to call people superheroes, but a lot of the work that people are doing that, we get to share. They seem like superheroes, like they've done fantastic work, so, like, I'm thrilled that we get to talk about it, and we get to hear from repeat special guests who are, I think, kind of a big deal, and great people, for
Megan Antonelli 3:57 sure, and, you know, and a lot of the inspiration came from Joe Desiree, oh, introducing me to Gary Forbes, who we interviewed a couple, you know, couple weeks ago, on on the show. And he's the founder of soul survivors, which is, you know, he wrote a book with about superheroes for kids having chronic diseases. And, you know, I mean, when we lean into and discuss the topics around children's health and mental health and adolescence, like with our partners, you know, road recovery, which we had in January, but we're going to have Gary there talking about what he's doing, you know. And I think while it can get a little cheesy, and, yeah, I guess dehumanizing, although, you know who doesn't want to be Wonder Woman, I'm just sad
Janae Sharp 4:44 when I don't have superpowers. I'm like, if I'm a superhero, why don't like, I need a little more magic, you know? So I know you
Megan Antonelli 4:53 know where we're so important, actually, going back to the hymns event it was, I. Adam gold talking about, you know what he sees? You know, from, from a CTOs perspective, working in a health care a children's health care hospital, you know what he wants to see in the future is more gamification for children's health to get them really reached. And I think, you know, when you have these types of metaphors, or what have you I have a thought about this
Janae Sharp 5:20 too. Sorry. I don't want to interrupt, but like, Okay, so at the Utah hymns event, Billy Demong spoke, and he's an Olympian. He's has won multiple gold medals and led teams. And one of the most interesting things about his his discussion was talking about the steps that they took to become innovative and to become winners, and just how it's like a scientific process, and you look at your behavior and how every step and every behavior that you have creates that winning, creates that win, creates something new. So instead of following along with what other teams were doing. Traditionally, the Norwegians were really good at that. They decided to look at all sorts of different and new ways of solving this problem, and that's what I think the lineup that we have will bring together like that inspiration, where these people are the best in the world, but they're the best in the world because they decided to look at the problem in a way that was relentless and change their daily habits. And that's what's necessary, if we look at things, especially with Youth Mental Health right now, like even though some of the reporting on it is questionable, and some of the data studies are invented. It doesn't take it doesn't take a scientific study. It doesn't take anyone to realize like, youth today are struggling like and things are bad, even when I think about our nonprofit work, when we're helping clinicians and families, the whole person, including the impact of youth mental health on our ability to deliver health care, is a huge issue, and it's something that's so pressing right now that I'm glad that you're bringing together these people,
Megan Antonelli 7:17 yeah, and I think coming around around that topic, which is what we like to do At health impact, you know, we like to talk about the fundamentals of technology, whether it's interoperability, security, you know, connectivity, AI implementation, but at the end of the day, where does it touch the patient? Where does it impact patient care and outcomes? And I think right now, I mean, and maybe it's partially because, you know, we've got kids, and we see it every day, and we're exposed to it through, you know, a lot of the discussion around the impact of social media, the impact on their mental health and what that, you know, what that's shaping to be like for them, and that it is so hard to even just get the right care and get them to engage in that. So what Adam said really resonated with me. And I just it made me so excited for what we're doing at health impact in June to really kind of, you know, talk about what's needed in technology, with the CISOs and the CIOs and, you know, the financial, you know, pieces of all of of healthcare coming together, but then to kind of bring it home around, you know, patient and and adolescent mental health. So super excited about that. We have a lot of discussion around, you know, virtual nursing, of course, Kathleen McGraw coming back from Microsoft, we're there, and they're such a great partner. Going to talk about some of the innovations that are happening there. She's put together an amazing panel with Carrie O'Brien from NYU Langone and Geeta nastassi from Northwell. And, you know, talking about, kind of the AI solutions for that, that workforce, which, you know, yes, often we call superheroes, you know, because they, for sure, are so it is, you know, it's going to be another fabulous event. Another new addition is we're going to have the Microsoft startups. We have their cohort, their Pegasus cohorts, coming in, talking about all the amazing things that they're doing. Companies like outbound, AI and CareCo and Humana. Humana are all going to be there. So super exciting. Thank you to Sally Frank for putting that together for us. And then one of the things I'm really excited about, and it's not even on the website yet, but it's a close friend and one of the most amazing superheroes in house at healthcare is Michael Rawlings, who is the COO at New York Health and Hospital, Lincoln Hospital, and he has been a longtime friend and a longtime, you know, leader in healthcare. In fact, when health impact was founded, when we came up with the idea, that's when Hurricane Sandy was happening, and he was at Bellevue at that time. And when I tell. You that he was, you know, part of the team who, you know, on the technology team, on, on the operations team at Bellevue, but was downstairs bucketing water out of the halls. I think it was Bert Robles, who was the CIO at the time. So, you know, and we, and I just remember kind of knowing and being a part of that. So he's going to share with us that incredible journey from his, you know, beginnings of, you know, kind of that that to to now, and what he's seen with how technology has changed. Because when that happened, there were paper records for sure, that were lost, that were challenging, and now we are, luckily, in a very different place. Yes, I think it's nice to think of the impact journey we've had over those 15 years. Yeah,
Janae Sharp 10:47 just thinking about how far we've come, and thinking about some of those repeat people who attend Kathleen is a big fan like just to attend for the community and for learning and moving together, and I've really enjoyed how the leaders there are so open to talk to people, but it's more like they're meeting with their peers to talk about the problems that matter. And we're having people who return, you know, full circle, like Aletha Maybank is coming to speak about her work and her ongoing work,
Megan Antonelli 11:18 and, yeah, and that's, you know, and that theme and around, kind of that intersection of art and creativity, again, Joe, kind of bringing that to us, you know, is such a great you know, as we have aI being implemented, and this technology adoption in healthcare, the humanity of healthcare doesn't change. And bringing in art, and that intersection of art and medicine and Music and Medicine into all of this is so important, and that's why we love, we love health impact, not to toot our own horn, but we do it a little different. And we bring in these, these different lines of of thinking, to to inspire and to drive, you know, real, you know, real innovation in the space, but there is certainly a lot of other innovation happening around around healthcare. It's not just health impact, which is next month, but, you know, are we talking about Charlotte now?
Janae Sharp 12:15 Innovation, speaking
Megan Antonelli 12:17 of innovation, speaking of of, of, you know, gems or or diamonds in the rough, or
Janae Sharp 12:26 pearls, pearls, you know, a priceless gem, yes, that you can find deep under the sea, but you could also find in downtown Charlotte. Yes, and I'm thrilled about some of the things that are going to be happening with the pearl innovation district, I've spoken to a lot of people who have been involved in in that, including people from Wake Forest Baptist Medical School, a Wake Forest medical school, not sorry, and they're going to have so many interesting people, and have This space that's that's dedicated to innovation, and that's dedicated to the future of medicine, both with technology, information and and with providing care. So that is, I think, next week, or, you know, whenever you watch this, very soon, we're going to open this this innovation district is going to be dedicated to improving health, improving economics. Thrilled to be in Charlotte when this is opening and and the work the Advocate has done to make this happen. This is a years long process, and so many different schools and leaders in the area care about improving health for everyone here. So that's something that I think is necessary. One of the things with innovation is that you need the space in which it can thrive and move forward. And this is providing that.
Megan Antonelli 13:55 Yeah, yeah. It's interesting to see. I mean, there's so much of that happening. I mean, in the sort of evolution of the innovation discussion, right, as as how, how do we make it happen? I mean, back, of course, in the Clayton Christensen days with, you know, disruptive innovation, and you have to kind of put it, put it over here to make it happen. And I think we've seen in healthcare, it kind of go back and forth, right? I mean, there's been times where it's like, Well, innovation has to happen in a in a vacuum, or we've got to keep it over here to make it happen, because the others will push back. And I think we're seeing a convergence now where innovation is happening. And, you know, I talk about it all the time, when I talk about health impact, is when we started, it was CIOs. We were inviting CIOs. We that was it. It was just those. Those were the people we wanted in the room, because they were making the decision around technology. But now that has changed, and not only is it the CIO, and, of course, the CMO and the CMO and the Chief Quality Officer and the chief experience officer and and all of the. People who report into them, and the nursing officers and the nursing executives and, you know, informatics and technology, of course, but all of those people, as well as the Coos and the CEOs, and, of course, the CFOs, because they pay the bills, are so important to that conversation. We love you too as CFOs, yes, and the conversation to have everybody in the room is so much more useful. And then I think with things like the pearl and with the helix and Houston, what we're seeing is a lot of cross pollination, right? Like not just, not just healthcare, we want to, we want to get people together, you know, from economics, from finance, from from government, from business, from defense. And, you know, one event that I've been following quite closely emerge America is out of Miami. They do that. They've got defense, they've got education, they've got sort of the quantum AI piece, and, of course, healthcare as a hub. So that, you know, it's just, I think the power of bringing folks together is so important, and that cross pollination is so needed to drive innovation forward and get the right ideas. Which also brings me to another great thing that happened this month, which is that the women's disruptive Leadership Summit our second one with HFMA in Southern California, going to be at the Long Beach Yacht Club, which is one of my favorite venues down here. July 24 we've just opened registration, and people will come, yes. And you know, the we work with the team at HFMA to help put that together, and it's the first year we went. Was great, but so many unbelievable women, but to that point of cross pollination, it is A, C, H, E, it is HIMS, it is h, f, M, a, it is all those organizations, because now you know they're all needed to have an effective conversation where we are not making technology decisions in a vacuum, we are having everyone come together to talk about innovation, to make it happen. So excited about that as well. That's amazing. That wasn't even on the original list. No,
Janae Sharp 17:13 I know, but you just sometimes things just pop out that are great, like women who are making a difference women who support each other, it's amazing. Like, yeah, I've had so many great people like that in my career, and it'd be great. Like, I'm always wanting to go to meetings like that, yeah.
Megan Antonelli 17:32 And I mean, the discussion I had with Anne Tanner this week, who is also a CEO, what has been a CEO, a COO and a CIO not to drop all the seats, but it's been
Janae Sharp 17:43 everything, roughly, in case you're feeling like you haven't accomplished enough.
Megan Antonelli 17:47 And she is a speaker at that event, and it was just such, it was such a pleasure to talk to her about her leadership strategy and about her mentorship strategy, and a lot of what she talked about was in not mentorship, but sponsorship, and what that means in leadership in general, it doesn't have to be a female mentorship or leadership, but sponsorship, where you know that you have an advocate who is willing to put something on the line for you, right? It's not just, oh, here's what I did, here's what you should do, right? Which is easy. There's no risk involved in telling people what you think they should do, but when you take that extra step to put, you know, endorse them, put them, put them at the front of the line for whatever new role or new opportunity, you know you're taking a risk, and that's what you know. That's how she was defining sponsorship. And I think it's so important when we talk about, particularly women's, you know, female run, female founders, like we all, like we often do, is, you know, we're not just looking for allies. We're looking for advocates, you know. And that's, and that's what's important. So lots of, lots of fun things happening, lots of, lots of people coming together, doing important things, right?
Janae Sharp 19:01 And I think one of the speakers, Risa Lewis and Adira Landry, just spoke about this, about women advocating for each other, and like what that looks like in the workplace. So that's an article that's a good thing that came out, that we can all read in stat news. And I love stat news. I do
Megan Antonelli 19:17 love stat news. And guess what? Reese is coming to health impact in June. So I love her. She's so great, and she's going to talk about some of those topics. But let me also talk about, let's
Janae Sharp 19:28 go back to females who are doing well in business, because we personally know some people who just had an IPO truth, two different companies, I thought we should talk about this month. One is Omada Health. Lucia Savage is amazing and brilliant. She might not be the founder, but for me, she is
Megan Antonelli 19:51 definitely one of the more visible folks from that organization,
Janae Sharp 19:55 right? And just her work ensuring that your day. Of privacy matters and ensuring the security there, legislatively and ongoing through her work at Omada Health, that's critical hinge. Health also had an IPO, and I think they're a female founder or female led fund who helped that. Is that
Megan Antonelli 20:14 correct? I think so. Yeah.
Janae Sharp 20:16 So I really liked, I saw the little picture of them, you know, ringing the bell. And there were two little babies, we know, I'm pro babies, so it was great to see, yeah,
Megan Antonelli 20:29 no, it is, it is. It's super exciting to see. And it is, you know, it is an interesting time in healthcare in general, to to see these kinds of IPOs coming out, you know, and there's been a lot of a lot of coverage around that, but, you know, lots of there's lots of money there, and it's good to see that there's some successful IPOs. I guess we'll see how it goes in the in the months and years to come. Can
Janae Sharp 20:57 be fantastic, and everyone's going to do well, let's talk a little bit about some of the gaps we've seen. Because I do think when we're talking about five good things, sometimes I'm having, like, the most sarcastic conversation of my life with people, or, like, Doom scrolling, which no judgment if you do it too.
Megan Antonelli 21:15 Sometimes, Jenny, hey,
Janae Sharp 21:19 not literally all the time. Okay, so sometimes, sometimes I'm looking at a sarcastic meme about LinkedIn and a video about it being phony and how we should add a BS button, and I think of you, and I think about our segment on good things, because I'm like, do people want to hear good things, or do people want to doom scroll? And the answer is both
Megan Antonelli 21:42 true, I agree, and we are the no BS event, so we can't just continue to talk about all the good things when there's some real questionable things happening in right? And you know, for example, although you first, I want to start with you brought up stat news. And recently as I've been trying to find a barometer of truth in healthcare and in general, I feel like they're one of the only ones, and I just want to give a little shout out to them, because there's a lot of just you know, and even you know what the gray lady who I've got you know, sort of considered reliable sources I can no longer really fully trust at this point, because last week, when there's conversations happening around what these bills are going to do to Medicaid, there was no conversation happening on the national discourse about about what was happening, and it's important. It's really much more important than a lot of the things that are being discussed, and it impacts shut
Janae Sharp 22:51 down. And why do you think that is, do you think that's because, you know, you don't want to offend your sponsors, you don't want like, Is it distracting from the business that's still going on, or is it just that we can't handle it?
Megan Antonelli 23:05 God, there's so much. There's so many answers to that, right? I mean, I
Janae Sharp 23:09 psychology, it's time for therapy with Megan and Janae. Yeah, really.
Megan Antonelli 23:13 I mean, I just, I think there's so much. And you know, if we take it to what we know, right, which is in a world where everybody has to stay in business, right? When I was at sway, I was on the
Janae Sharp 23:26 Fortunately, we're all still part of the working class here on this call, right?
Megan Antonelli 23:29 Unfortunately and and paid content is a thing, right? So there's paid content and non paid content. And in a world of paid content, and a world where AI is generating paid content, and then AI is delivering your search results and and you're getting what you get from that algorithm. Finding the truth is hard, you know, and I've gone to sub stack, and I've gone to things like that, where I can then hear independent voices that I trust who are less in the hands of or at the at the hands of many owners at the end of the day, whether it's your advertisers or your owners, or just, you know, fear of repercussions in general. I mean, look at, you know, with what's going on with Harvard, with what's going you know, there is fear that there will be retribution in general, and it is breaking the system. And when it comes to, you know, the likes of TMZ and Daily Mail, we don't care. But when it comes to healthcare, it really matters. And you know the questions, and so that's, that's business and capitalism and what, what's there? But then there's the question of, like, you know, do we believe in science, and does science matter?
Janae Sharp 24:53 Basically, I think about that sometimes with mental health, by the way. Speaking of good news, my child literally just handed me homemade Nope. See, but I think about that sometimes with mental health, it's like, do we believe in this? Like, we, you know, like, do we believe in science now, or is it more like we've gone so deep down a Reddit rabbit hole when we were seeking answers and feeling not listened to, that we'll believe anything, and that's part of the danger of digital health, because people don't naturally inside of us have a great way to measure they've shown like we'll believe garbage we read online if it looks like it's from a human being, and we don't cognitively have the ability to differentiate between that when it's real and when it's just something that we're naturally believing because of our instincts that have taught us to believe something a human has said. So that makes us more vulnerable to attacks nationally, internationally. It makes us more vulnerable to misinformation. You know, kita Nair talks about this a lot, and other leaders that we know, and it's a real threat being able to figure out, because it's physically something that you will have to consciously decide, but also being like, you know, Google is not the same as science, right? Like admitting that we don't know everything and then our judgment is flawed. That's a tough one.
Megan Antonelli 26:21 It is, and it's complicated, and healthcare is complicated, and it is getting, you know, it's not getting any easier, and with the digital health tools that we have at you know, our disposal, it doesn't seem like we're making that information accessible to the patient in the right way. And it could have been, it should have been. And certainly, you know, the WebMD wanted to do it, you know, and Medscape and around that and and, to some degree, still does, but that's not what comes to the top of your search results, you know, other garbage does I really
Janae Sharp 26:56 do? Like the Medscape education team, we've partnered with them for some events, like, they've done great work, specifically and educated the industry. It's not the same as when we first would go to Google. And no matter what you had, you might have nothing, you might have a virus, you might have cancer, like it's a crapshoot. They're all equal, right? And so maybe that's a good thing, that we have had some advancement. There's some maturity in some of those decision making things. There's also new regulations and cooperatives about the ethical responsibility that we have to ensure that our AI models and our Internet has information that is more correct. And for those people who have been like, kind of tracking this thing for years, it really is getting better, right? Sort of,
Megan Antonelli 27:50 except that sort of, you know, I mean, the parameters are there and the guidelines are there, but the reality of the experience, I don't think, is there, you know, I think
Janae Sharp 28:01 we still have huge opportunities, right? It needs to get better. It needs to get safer.
Megan Antonelli 28:07 And as you mentioned, dr, G and her, you know, I mean only, I mean she, her, her book wasn't published that long ago, and that she's Republic, you know, she's rewriting it, you know, doing another version, you know, to it, because things have changed so quickly in that in that couple of years, because of generative AI, to some degree, you know, I mean, both using the generative AI tools to search and deliver the search results, but also the content that's being created is just, you know, less and less reliable. And maybe we're talking about this because the New York Times, to their credit, did just report on the fact that they make America healthy again. Report today was found to have false citations in it, literally at the highest level of government. We are using false citations for a report that is mentioned justice like Chris
Janae Sharp 28:59 Gibbons talks about like they might have used chat, TPT and hallucinated this like.
Megan Antonelli 29:06 So it is a problem, and it is and it is a responsibility. I mean, I joke about, oh, we're paid media, oh, you know, but we have from the beginning, even when we are paid to have sponsors and have them speak, ensured that it wasn't salesy and that it was a meaningful conversation. We guide and work with our partners to make sure that their conversation is about the value it will bring to the people in the room, because if you go the other way, particularly in healthcare, you lose credibility. Right? Right. Don't want to think you're right from the stage. And so coming up with that way of having a proper conversation with your customer, your audience, your client, your patients, your your you know everyone is so important, yet, you know it is hard to do, and it is maybe hard. To do in a world where the value of it seems less and less right, I will say,
Janae Sharp 30:07 I think one of the greatest things about health impact, including our partners, is that they understand the truth, that truth and transparency is a competitive advantage in business, and that might be being transparent about, hey, we're selling this. It meets this need, or the transparency to say this isn't exactly what you need. And when leaders also bring that transparency and say that's not the problem we're solving, it helps things move faster, right?
Megan Antonelli 30:35 And that's, you know, when they talk, there's a lot of discussion around the sales cycle and healthcare and how long it is and how and complaining about it, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, right?
Janae Sharp 30:44 But there's valid Some of it's valid.
Megan Antonelli 30:46 Read all of that. I go, you're doing it wrong, because it's not a sales cycle. It needs to be a partnership cycle. It's a partnership that you're building. You're there to support, you're there to work together to deliver the results for the patients you know, because at the end of the day, that sale is what impacts that, you know, and so it's an interest, you know, it's all it's all comes together. It's all big circle. It all comes back to health impact,
Janae Sharp 31:10 right? It all comes back for us, which, you know, we're running out of time for our five good things this week month. So let's think, like for me, I feel like my major takeaway this month is that there's value and honesty.
Megan Antonelli 31:24 I love that well, and I think what you said around transparency and trust being a competitive advantage is definitely the most important thing we said. So if anybody made it to the end, and everybody did, they are the lucky ones. Yes,
Janae Sharp 31:38 and I'm thrilled. I'm looking forward to seeing you. I'm looking forward to meeting with people you know, community leaders, artists, innovators, CIOs. I love the energy that they bring when they get together and are able to interact in a very real way. Yes,
Megan Antonelli 31:56 me too. I can't wait, and it's only I don't know, a few days away. So,
Janae Sharp 1 32:02 and for those of you who are meeting with us online, you are also important. We love having you be part of our segment. We love it when you tag us and tell us what your good things are or send them in a message. We do share them. We do read them. So thank you. Thank you to everyone who follows us, shares us, likes everything we do and emails it to all their friends. Yes,
Megan Antonelli 32:23 and if you want to come to health impact this June health impact forum.com you can just go check it out, see the agendas and register. And you know, always feel free to reach out to Janae or myself to ask any questions or follow up. But thank you so much for listening. Thank you, Janae. It is always fun and a pleasure, and until next time, keep challenging the status quo, and let's see if we can get to the bottom of all this. Because it's it's confusing times friends, it is. That's Megan Antonelli, signing off.
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