Five Good Things with Janae Sharp and Megan Antonelli: A rapid-fire segment highlighting positive developments in digital health. Janae and Megan share insights on recent innovations, successful implementations, and emerging trends that are driving progress in healthcare technology.
Janae Sharp, Founder, The Sharp Index
Megan Antonelli, Founder & CEO, HealthIMPACT
00:00:00 Intro: Welcome to digital health talks. Each week we meet with healthcare leaders making an immeasurable difference in equity, access and quality. Hear about what tech is worth investing in and what isn't as we focus on the innovations that deliver. Join Megan Antonelli, Jenny Sharp, and Shahid Shah for a weekly no BS deep dive on what's really making an impact in healthcare.
00:00:29 Megan Antonelli: Hi everybody. This is Megan Antonelli, CEO of Health Impact Live, and I'm excited to be here today for our April edition of Five Good Things on Digital health talks with my friend Jenny Sharp. Hi, Jenny, how are you?
00:00:42 Janae Sharp: I'm great. I'm thrilled to talk to you today about five good things.
00:00:46 Megan Antonelli: It has been quite a month, quite a quarter. Um, you know, I think with hymns and vibe and we've talked a lot about, you know, kind of the national traveling that we've all done. You just got back from a regional event, uh, right there in your backyard in Charlotte. The Health Innovation day. We were excited to be partners there. Uh, so it's exciting to see what's going on across the nation as far as healthcare goes. We had, um, quite a time at health and sorry, at Vive and Hims. And I think one of the things that, you know, I thought about a lot while I was there is, you know, these national stages are important and it's great. And we love hearing from everybody there, but hearing what people have to say, you know, in smaller rooms, kind of off the stages in these, you know, regional meetings is, is so different. And it really is, you know, obviously what health impact is all about. But, um, one of the things that we're most excited about, you know, kind of coming out of there is starting and launching these operators dinners, our operators table dinners for folks that we've got one we've already sold out in Boston. We're doing one in, uh, we'll be doing another one in Orlando around the American Telemedicine Association. Next meeting, uh, May twelfth. And then of course, back in New York, June June fourth. And we have solidified and finalized our dates for New York on October sixth and seventh for our Health impact forum. So, so excited to kind of see that. And I think seeing the, the group that you had there at Charlotte, uh, you know, kind of just reinforces that. Tell us, tell us a little bit about, uh, how it went.
00:02:26 Janae Sharp: I really liked being part of it, just that the Charlotte community comes together and people from multiple health systems were there. They were talking about how their startup experiences went. They had physicians, they had patients just sharing what people are wanting right now. And some of that was about technology. Some of it was about burnout, and a lot of it was about what we want for the future of care. And I think that's top of mind for a lot of people, what they what they want, like what, how we could improve things. Um. Um, yeah, I know.
00:03:01 Megan Antonelli: Yeah. And tell us a little bit about the Pearl. I haven't been there yet. I've heard you talk about it quite a bit. I've seen his presentation. But you know what?
00:03:09 Janae Sharp: Yeah, he likes it. He has to, you know, it's his job to like it, right? I really like the space. I think they also designed it with use in mind. Like when we were all there speaking, it was a big enough room for, you know, we had two hundred people who, who went to it and also everybody could speak. They have those little United Nations microphones, you know, so I get to control those though.
00:03:31 Megan Antonelli: Or can people just talk whenever they want because I'm not into that.
00:03:34 Janae Sharp: I'm not sure. Like, honestly, I don't have a lot of audio visual, um, experience with that space, but it was great. And the lighting is nice. There's parking at the place, so that's important.
00:03:47 Megan Antonelli: Not what's there now or is there medical facilities and academic facilities. What's really, you know, kind of anchoring, uh, the, the real estate project.
00:03:59 Janae Sharp: I noticed, I think there was a medical device company that has a presence there. Siemens didn't have a North American footprint like a flagship location. So they have their flagship location in Charlotte now. Oh, and actually, the guy from there saw me outside looking around and helped me find my way inside. So yeah, and there are a lot of education spaces and meeting spaces.
00:04:24 Megan Antonelli: Did you get you a cup of coffee, though?
00:04:26 Janae Sharp: No.
00:04:27 Megan Antonelli: Batteries?
00:04:28 Janae Sharp: No. No. Maybe. I mean, so Siemens Healthineers people, when you listen to this, your team is your team is fantastic. But we want some merch. Um, that'd be great. No, and it was nice. I mean, they have security there, too. Um, they have this kind of open space too, where you can sit like, you know how they have, like those seating stairs and like a lighted area. So that was kind of nice when people were pitching to see there. So and we got to be part of the classroom and part of the, um, like a bigger space where you could eat. And then also that kind of open, I don't know what it's called.
00:05:09 Megan Antonelli: Nice atrium.
00:05:11 Janae Sharp: Yeah. Atrium, if you will.
00:05:13 Megan Antonelli: If you will. No pun, no pun intended in terms of, um, and there was a pitch competition.
00:05:19 Janae Sharp: Yes.
00:05:20 Megan Antonelli: Uh, who were the winners?
00:05:21 Janae Sharp: The winners were Foresight Cares, which was a Charlotte based company that talks about, um, mobility and aging.
00:05:31 Megan Antonelli: Mhm.
00:05:31 Janae Sharp: So you could get real time feedback on how your mobility works and, and a professional care setting. I think that was a virtual care model for physical therapy. Kind of cool.
00:05:42 Megan Antonelli: You know?
00:05:43 Janae Sharp: Yeah, yeah, I can tell you.
00:05:45 Megan Antonelli: Yeah, they can.
00:05:46 Janae Sharp: Videotape you and see if you can touch your toes.
00:05:48 Megan Antonelli: Yeah.
00:05:48 Janae Sharp: Or it's probably for aging in place. Yeah. But also there was an Audience Choice Award winner. I really like it when they have audience choice award Winners. And that was, um, to medical solutions, which is a urinary monitoring system, like a better system of catheterization.
00:06:07 Megan Antonelli: Got it.
00:06:08 Janae Sharp: That's kind of nice. Like it was good to see like the medical device and technology ecosystem in place. Because I think a lot of times when we talk about it, you know, the bio life sciences, you don't always have as many devices at those events. And it's, it was nice for me to see.
00:06:31 Megan Antonelli: Yeah. It is, it's interesting. And it's such a, such a large market in terms of the devices. Um, and Olga Mueller of Kepler. The Kepler team, she was, she was sort of behind that. And I think the CEOs on both of those companies are women. Um, so that's exciting. Always nice to see see that the female founders winning. So we'll have them on the show, uh, in the coming weeks too. And we can all learn more about it. So definitely a good thing. Good things coming out of Charlotte, which is exciting to see. And we are, um, you know, kind of excited to maybe, you know, get back down there ourselves, uh, and see what it's all about. But I'm so glad you got to go to that.
00:07:10 Janae Sharp: I hope everyone from Charlotte shares with us their good things.
00:07:14 Megan Antonelli: Yes.
00:07:14 Janae Sharp: So that we can amplify that and tag us on social media. Make sure to email us, tag us, follow us.
00:07:21 Megan Antonelli: On social media. Did you see our friend Carol flag social media posts this week that also came out of Hims where she did the, um, what can I Do For you video, which was a take on, uh, the old UPS one. Oh, it's so good. You got to check it out.
00:07:37 Janae Sharp: Oh, you have to tell me. What did she do? What can it do for me?
00:07:41 Megan Antonelli: She just. She asked, like, everyone she talked to at Hims. What can I do for you? And, um, people gave her answers, and she put it all in on a video, and it's awesome. You got to check it out. I'll send you the link. We'll put it on, um, on ours. But speaking of social media, we have to have a musical segue.
00:08:01 Janae Sharp: What is it?
00:08:02 Megan Antonelli: So the nineties are all the rage. We're watching Love Story. We're doing all the things. For those of us I.
00:08:09 Janae Sharp: Haven't watched yet, I'm going to have to watch this. But I do have the teal eyeliner on right now.
00:08:13 Megan Antonelli: Have to watch it.
00:08:13 Janae Sharp: For those of you who who are joining us via radio, you don't know this, but I have light lipstick on and teal eyeshadow.
00:08:22 Megan Antonelli: And we are down with OPP because that was Stephan Conor's post about the return of o n c no more ASP asp as what is it?
00:08:37 Janae Sharp: ASP I believe.
00:08:39 Megan Antonelli: So that was exciting to see. And I think, um, I don't know what it means necessarily. Does it have a, does it have a significance other than, um, some shifting of those responsibilities? Um, and that no one really got behind calling it ASP.
00:08:57 Janae Sharp: I think it's also just kind of moving where the responsibility lies. And that office ASP, I believe, was established in two thousand and four under the Bush administration. But it really some of the priorities shifted under Biden, um, in two thousand and twenty four, focusing on that policy. But there wasn't necessarily, um, a clear direction and clear way that all those offices work together. And, um, they announced that at the same time when they were getting comments on rfis. So it was interesting.
00:09:43 Megan Antonelli: Yeah. Well, I'm just glad that we're back to ONC. I am, I am.
00:09:47 Janae Sharp: We love onc. We always.
00:09:48 Megan Antonelli: Have.
00:09:50 Janae Sharp: Yeah.
00:09:52 Megan Antonelli: Sorry, sorry. I liked his post. I thought it was cute and I like that we're back at ONC. So it is a good thing in my book, as is the nineties and hip hop. Yes for sure.
00:10:08 Janae Sharp: Yeah. So ESP is supposed to move under technology. ONC is great. It's going to be fun.
00:10:14 Megan Antonelli: It will. We can go talk more about Love Story or we can talk about other important things in health. It like Tom Brady.
00:10:23 Janae Sharp: Yes.
00:10:24 Megan Antonelli: How is that for a Segway?
00:10:26 Janae Sharp: I thought that was good. Massachusetts. You know, speaking of Massachusetts.
00:10:34 Megan Antonelli: Yeah. So there you go. Um, but we this week, uh, we heard that when Tom Brady was announced as, as their, uh, backer. And I think he's, he's got some level of a title at EMD, which is a telehealth company that's focused on GLP ones, but they hit a two billion dollar valuation this week, which I think is a pretty big amount. And we're hearing a lot around investments in that space. I think we've got some more investments, and there was just a lot of discussion of that. I think what occurs to me and what I find most interesting is the association of Tom Brady and kind of some of these, um, you know, the athletes we've got Serena Williams repping, um, Mounjaro and Zepbound and all of that. And I think there's an interesting dynamic that I've been noticing. So, you know, we talked a few months with Joanna Strober of Mental Health about that rebranding of sort of prevention to longevity. Right. And as I was talking to her and kind of hearing about thinking about this and thinking, well, you know, finally, um, and I've talked to a bunch of people, I've also mentioned it on the show, even Eric Topol's book around aging. You know, I picked that up thinking, okay, here, you know, here's it. Finally, we've got a cardiologist, a scientist, he's going to talk about aging. This is going to be it. This is going to be my answer. And it was like eat well and exercise. Oh well that's that's just prevention. I mean.
00:12:01 Janae Sharp: It seems like something they they keep pushing home, you know, but turns out if you have a healthier, better lifestyle, you are healthier and better. Isn't that breaking news? I'm ready for my million. Yeah.
00:12:13 Megan Antonelli: So but I but then right around that time, I had an opportunity to tour the Chargers. The team here. I know you're not into football. The the Chargers don't.
00:12:25 Janae Sharp: Say that on camera.
00:12:27 Megan Antonelli: Practice.
00:12:28 Janae Sharp: Uh I love football. I'm happy to go watch a game. It'll be like bringing someone who for whom it is new and exciting every time.
00:12:37 Megan Antonelli: Well, they have to practice and they have a practice facility. And going through that, you know, at first you go through the offices and it's it's an office building. But what you realize as you go through their cafeteria and they tell you how they. Everything they eat is tracked on their phone immediately from when they order it to, you know, to, to, you know, they don't even have to take pictures. It's just automatic. And, and of course, they go to the gym and every machine is connected and every machine is tracked and everything goes up on the, on the screen. So they're all looking at it and seeing and gamifying it because of course, it's a million dollar facility devoted to keeping sixty men healthy, and there's no limits to the money that they can spend, you know, attached to three, uh, football fields plus a rehab facility, right? Where they've got the state of the art equipment. They've, you know, ten, ten infinity pools and gravity lifts, treadmills and just this unbelievable thing. And they're, you know, on top of it, it's a UCLA health branded facility. And so it occurred to me that we have this incredible performance medicine space and world. And then here we have sort of this longevity and prevention all coming together. And I think, you know, as we see the wellness devices and wearables kind of taking shape and becoming more, more mainstream and maybe just, you know, becoming part of the healthcare ecosystem, not just the worried well or the hyper neurotic or even the hyper, you know, actual athletes who are super fit. Um, there's, there's so much to be learned from both sides, you know, and you've got even folks like Gautam Gulati, who's got a company called the well home about home and, and what's going on there. And I think there's just as health systems reposition themselves for healthcare everywhere, there's a lot to be said for this sort of convergence of performance medicine and what healthcare everywhere really means and how it could mean that, you know, we don't we aren't a sick care system anymore, but we become a true preventative medicine.
00:14:57 Janae Sharp: Yes. I think that's so true. Like healthcare can learn so much from performance medicine. I remember Billy Demong spoke at an event I was at, and he was talking about how much they measured everything about their performance and angles for us. I believe he's a Nordic combined skier, so an Olympic gold medalist. And just that level of precision, using that level of precision measurement and science to reach your goals is something that not everyone does. It's just not. Not only do you not have the time, you might not have the budget. So if we can take those learnings from professional sports and from professional professionals who are really, you know, their whole job is to maximize their performance. If we can take that and, and have that same system on a smaller scale work for other people. Our overall health would be way better, right? I will say I'm somewhat skeptical of celebrity influencers like, um, you know, one hundred percent no.
00:16:06 Megan Antonelli: And I think that there's, there's a fine line between all of it. And, and to some degree, there's, you know, I mean, and as you that distinction between, uh, sort of the wellness movement and, you know, certainly as we get into, you know, less tested, less evidence based, um, practices of what's real and what does make sense for health, health care systems and organizations to adopt, right? I mean, you've got tons of, you know, the pro novos and the ezras in terms of the scans and whether or not that provides value. Well, it must provide value to someone because people are paying for it. And if they pay out of their pocket, it is providing value to them just because it doesn't provide value to, you know, maybe the general healthcare system or they can't monetize it in the way that they want to, and they fear it will cost, cost them more if they pay for it. You know, you get into this whole, uh, what we do for the system versus what we do for the individual, right? Um, which, you know, kind of brings us back to sort of that human centered care. But I, um, for sure, uh, you take all of it with a certain.
00:17:21 Janae Sharp: Yeah. I mean, I think sometimes it's like you raised a bunch of money. Now you have a giant purse, you have a giant budget. And someone who used to be one of the top fifty highest paid athletes is now getting paid even more to tell you what to do. And the secret is, guess what? If you got paid that much, I bet you would be just as healthy, you know? Right? That's not to me, that's not groundbreaking. And then I think about some of the scandals, like they were involved in the scandal in a different scandal. You know, in Mississippi. They had a Medicaid scandal where Brett Farve, I think was didn't know this, but got got money from Medicaid. And so I have a little bit of like a mixed feeling about that. You know.
00:18:04 Megan Antonelli: And declare, I mean, Tom, this is Tom Brady you're talking about. And he, um, he is their chief wellness officer for whatever that means. Yeah.
00:18:12 Janae Sharp: What does that mean? Does that just mean you're a paid influencer? Maybe.
00:18:17 Megan Antonelli: Right.
00:18:18 Janae Sharp: And also, I don't always want to hear advice from someone who's like, this is my smoothie today. Like, I want to hear advice from someone who's like, seems a little bit more like a real, real person.
00:18:29 Megan Antonelli: Right?
00:18:30 Janae Sharp: Not that he's not real. He's real. Maybe that's our good thing. Tom Brady's real, but but you know, that's just me.
00:18:39 Megan Antonelli: Yeah, yeah. No, I think, you know, I think I guess the good that I'm distilling from it is, um attention being put towards kind of general health on a very high, you know, at a very high level. Um, and, you know, sort of there's a, you know, pinnacle of, of both performance medicine and sports. I think, you know, I saw also, I think it was our friend Michael Millenson talking about, you know, what the investor, uh, lineup looked like. I think, I think this one was about so his quote, I'm all about social media. This, this, uh, episode.
00:19:17 Janae Sharp: Hey, good things, social media.
00:19:19 Megan Antonelli: If ESPN married the Wall Street Journal, the guest list might read like the list of investors who just gave whoop five hundred and seventy five million dollars. So then he goes on to talk about it, and I guess LeBron James and a bunch of celebrities are in that that list, you know? Um, and so celebrity athletes, so it's just, I love.
00:19:40 Janae Sharp: That. Speaking of that, at the innovation event, someone was like, I worked out today without my hoop, without my watch. And I was like, this is relatable, right?
00:19:49 Megan Antonelli: Does that even, you know.
00:19:50 Janae Sharp: Just imagine going outside and taking a walk without your step counter.
00:19:55 Megan Antonelli: Mhm.
00:19:56 Janae Sharp: Couldn't be me.
00:19:58 Megan Antonelli: Right? Yeah. No. So it's, you know, I, I like, I guess I, it comes down to, I like attention for healthcare, whether it's, um, you know, and I think the, the goal being that that attention then brings to light what we can do and how we can improve to give people the value where they do want it. Right? Yes. Um, but speaking of being maybe a little bit skeptical and being a pessimist, have you seen the new documentary, the A.I. doc, how I Became an Optimist?
00:20:30 Janae Sharp: No, you only I only heard about that today from you. So I need to know more about this. Why do we need to watch it? And is it. AM I going to like it?
00:20:38 Megan Antonelli: Yeah. So I haven't seen it yet because it's in theaters, but it's only in theaters at like four in the afternoon and nine at night. So I am planning to go see it this weekend. But I did sit in on, um, a call about it with Tristan Harris. So Tristan Harris is the founder of the center for Humane Technology and he's behind that was the organization behind The Social Dilemma, which came out in twenty twenty. And so this movie, he's not he's affiliated with it in some way. I think maybe he's interviewed in it. But the Sam Altman is interviewed in it. The CEO of anthropic is interviewed. And I think that they're trying at least what I've distilled from that, that video from the Zoom call is that it really is about kind of the positives and the negatives and how you embrace the promise while you try to sidestep the perils, you know, which I which really struck home for me because I feel like that's everything that we talk about in technology, in healthcare forever. Forget AI, it's always been. There is always a sort of downside or a, you know, potential, you know, risk that we expose ourselves to when we implement technology in healthcare. And we are always chasing the promise and often sometimes miss the promise, but, um, are, are going for that. And I think with AI, it is only so much more amplified. And that's what the AI doc is, is about. But mostly, I think the good thing is the word apocalyptic, because I think that really describes both of us very well.
00:22:19 Janae Sharp: Yeah, I think I think that also describes a lot of people in America right now, like the news like, oh, everything's, you know, war every that's a lot. And I think earlier in the week, you talked to me a little bit about being overwhelmed, but still like moving forward positively. And I really liked that idea that you can acknowledge that things are tough right now for a lot of people. You know, two thirds of Americans are delaying care. Eighty percent are really concerned about health care costs. One in five aren't filling their prescriptions. We look at the news. These are not happy things. People are fighting online. People are fighting in real life, you know. But we can still move forward positively. I don't remember what you said, but it was really good. So I think everybody should hear it.
00:23:07 Megan Antonelli: I think it was we were talking a little bit about sort of the sentiment of coming out of hymns. You know, you come out of these events where there is this optimism, there's an energy, there's big stages, there's big lights. You're in Vegas. And but we know that so much of what we talk about and, and the realities that people have to go back to are tough, you know, tough resources within their health systems, you know, situations with patients and, and, and care getting harder and harder, not easier, you know, healthcare, right? No matter what, how much technology we throw at it, healthcare's never going to be easy. And in a world where mental health prices and everything gets more and more complicated. Um, you know, it just doesn't get easier. So it is, you know, how you can affect the small places of change. And I think even those who are working in the government right now to go back to ONC and OP, you know, they are ensuring that they remain positive and impacting and affecting what it is that they know they can and where they can make a real difference, regardless of maybe some other areas where we feel less confident in the future and stability of right.
00:24:25 Janae Sharp: And I think that's really it's related to even some of these events that we were talking about, like going from this large scale where it might not look bright, like we can have these smaller, smaller focuses, things we can control that become more positive. And, and just like we have, we're going to have smaller, localized things with people who care about the community and know the community. Being able to have that smaller focus can help people be positive. So I love that.
00:24:56 Megan Antonelli: Yeah. And I do think it comes back to that, you know, big stages are amazing and you can get powerful messages to the masses, but there are very few people who can talk about everything. And a lot of there's a lot of things that you can't say on a big stage that have a lot to do with how things can and cannot be implemented and how things can't change. You know, when you're on a big stage like that, you do have to worry a little bit about who you might offend, and not everybody does. And some people just offend. Some people just.
00:25:30 Janae Sharp: Just say it.
00:25:32 Megan Antonelli: And.
00:25:32 Janae Sharp: You know.
00:25:33 Megan Antonelli: Try to recruit them for sure.
00:25:34 Janae Sharp: You know, I got to speak about appointment scheduling. I was like, if you can just let me schedule with a provider in my network that my insurance covers and it's not an absolute nightmare. I will feel like AI has arrived and literally people were clapping, right? You know.
00:25:53 Megan Antonelli: Which is also a sad state of affairs because that shouldn't be offensive. It should just be an easy ask. It shouldn't be said.
00:26:00 Janae Sharp: This shouldn't be groundbreaking, but it is, right? Yeah.
00:26:05 Megan Antonelli: Right. Well, and then, I mean, we talked a little bit about mental health. Um, one other thing that we had on our list was universal Health Systems is going to be acquiring Talkspace, which I think is a really interesting move as we think about where, um, you know, where healthcare is going and, and how they do survive in a resource strained environment. You know, we talked a little bit earlier today about what is innovation. You know, innovation isn't always a new startup down the street or it's not even necessarily an acquisition. It's fixing problems. But one thing that Talkspace I think does is, is address the access issue for, for mental health. Uh. Uh, you know, across the country and for us, which is the health system, um, to make that purchase is a real, is a really interesting one. And I think I'm, I'm excited to see kind of what, what that change signals because I think it's a major shift in kind of, you know, sort of care delivery models and, and where they see their role in, you know, in delivering care.
00:27:11 Janae Sharp: Yeah. Especially if they feel like that's a valuable investment because they'll see it's a valuable investment when they're responsible for the whole person. That's when mental health matters, right?
00:27:24 Megan Antonelli: Yeah. No. And it is. I mean, I think it's interesting from both the scale to which Talkspace already kind of sort of sees patients or has patients on a, on a national level, um, you know, and also kind of just integrating those care delivery models, which I think we're seeing. You know, we're seeing signaling. Towards towards that. And then what happens as a result. That to impact reimbursement and even, um, the credentialing required for telehealth providers and things like that, you know. So yes, um, we can't turn off the show and say goodbye without plugging our friends at sway Health, which is there. Speaking of Tom Brady, I can't believe we didn't make that segue. But they are going to be in Massachusetts.
00:28:13 Janae Sharp: Once again.
00:28:16 Megan Antonelli: We will they'll we will be with them in Foxboro, uh, April thirtieth to May first. And, you know, one of my I went last year in San Diego and it was just such a great time with other health IT marketing execs and hospital marketing people, you know, and I think that intersection of kind of messaging and communications in healthcare, plus the marketing of how these, you know, uh, IT companies tell their stories and, and create value for hospitals. It was it was such a great to be a part of it. So we're excited to go there this year and come to our website and subscribe to our newsletter. And you can get a chance to win a free ticket as well as, um, a discount, three hundred dollars on the registration.
00:28:59 Janae Sharp: So we hope you will join us there. I love that community. It's so supportive and I hope you like subscribe, share, tell us your good thing and subscribe to our podcast on whichever platform you prefer.
00:29:13 Megan Antonelli: Yes. Excited. Thanks so much for being here. Thanks, Jenny. Have a great rest of your spring break and weekend. And to everybody else, uh, like subscribe and stay tuned for what's next with Health Impact.
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